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Khazarn Areth The Black Pigs The Black Pigs Alliance 88	Posted - 2012.02.24 11:58:00 - [1] - Quote "My word lies within all, All it requires is the breath of faith, To ignite the fire, So the lost can find their way, So the fallen can rise, To take their place as my chosen, For you are all my creation, And are all equal in my kingdom." -Apocryphon, Lost Passages Brothers and Sisters of New Eden i have begun this thread in order to discuss the ways of the Sani Sabik faith in hopes to enlighten and inform those ignorant of our ways and whilst many of you know me as a member of the Covenant this topic will focus mainly on the roots of all Sani Sabik sects throughout New Eden because as many of you are probably aware the Blood Friends are active in nearly every area of space be it belonging to an empire of some kind or not. I would ask our Amarrian loyalist friends keep their cries of "Heresy!" and "You will be reclaimed!" to a minimum, this is not a childish thread for simpletons, proper theorys and opinions if you please. So, Capsuleers of the IGS, what does Sani Sabik mean to you? Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood
Khazarn Areth The Black Pigs The Black Pigs Alliance 88	Posted - 2012.02.24 14:32:00 - [2] - Quote Which practices do you speak of Mr Cresthill? I assume you speak of the blooding process practiced by the Covenant, the aim of which is to make those bled whole again, it is a process of enlightenment we give to those captures that do not wish to join us, I will elaborate further on my preferred methods later as I have a crew briefing to attend to now. And as to your scripted ramblings that is your indoctrinated opinion and you are welcome to it. May the wretched Sarum burn. Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood
Khazarn Areth The Black Pigs The Black Pigs Alliance 88	Posted - 2012.02.24 15:59:00 - [3] - Quote Indeed, for we carve our own destiny into the stars. However I thought it a pleasant idea to discuss the basic ideas behind all versions of the faith not the core visions of specific cults, ideas all share in some way. As the blooding process seeks to enlighten in it's own beautiful way I shall seek to enlighten and guide those with the potential to become more. Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood
Khazarn Areth The Black Pigs The Black Pigs Alliance 89	Posted - 2012.02.24 18:20:00 - [4] - Quote Blood Onyx wrote: if you do not sufficiently respect your victims to even take their life force in person, leaving it to an unfeeling, unthinking machine... why do you want their blood in the first place? I respect my captures entirely, each one is hooked up to the hallowed bleeding machines personally tendered to, cared for and soothed as they travel their path to wholeness. Why use machines you ask? For me it is a matter of sterility and efficiency, to do the job manually to whole groups of captures risks contamination and it is slow going, the ability to hook an individual or group into a row of bleeding racks allows myself and the crew assigned to the bleeding chamber to collect the blood asked for by Omir at a much faster rate without risking the whole batch as it is pumped into seperate sterilized containers. I do on occasion reserve the medical bay for important captures such as Capsuleers and other assorted powerful clones as their blood is purer than most and is much more sought after as my Brothers and Sisters in the Covenant know. Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood
Khazarn Areth The Black Pigs The Black Pigs Alliance 90	Posted - 2012.02.24 18:38:00 - [5] - Quote Ares Renton wrote: If I were to believe in superstitious hocus-pocus, I would much prefer to believe in good hocus-pocus instead of bad hocus-pocus that'll get me reclaimed. Whilst some within the faith worship "The Red God" most tread the path of Sani Sabik as a personal journey focusing more on their self and hoping to eventually attain enlightenment in a form of spiritual and/or physical immortality. Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood
Khazarn Areth The Black Pigs The Black Pigs Alliance 90	Posted - 2012.02.25 14:27:00 - [6] - Quote Theobar Cresthill wrote: Khazarn Areth wrote: personal journey focusing more on their self. Self Self-ish Self-centered Self-focused self-destructive That is what you are. Then explain the purpose of this thread in order to inform and help other capsuleers to understand Sani Sabik? And please elaborate on each point. Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood
Khazarn Areth The Black Pigs The Black Pigs Alliance 90	Posted - 2012.02.25 19:57:00 - [7] - Quote Mr Blake is making the common error of assuming all Sani Sabik are members of The Blood Raider Covenant and that all practitioners of the faith are the same, they are not. And Mr Cresthill, The Black Pigs are pirates not of the Sani Sabik faith. I do however fly with them as they provide excellent support to my current activities by keeping the navy very preoccupied, its is another error of the Imperials to speak and spew forth their indoctrinated jargon without fully realising what the full picture is. Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood
Khazarn Areth The Black Pigs The Black Pigs Alliance 90	Posted - 2012.02.25 20:41:00 - [8] - Quote I do not hide the fact that i am a supporter of Omir. Mr Cresthill could you keep the hysterical outbursts to a minimum. And would Mr Blake kindly contribute to the main topic also, again, this is not about my version of the Sani Sabik faith it is a discussion on the basic principles, the foundations if you will. Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood
Khazarn Areth The Black Pigs The Black Pigs Alliance 93	Posted - 2012.02.26 11:18:00 - [9] - Quote 'The Mabnen Incident on the ninth day of June, when a chemical attack led to shocking destruction on the planet of Mabnen I in the Amarr Empire. Beginning with the distribution of an aerosol agent into the atmosphere of Mabnen I, centered on the Hemlock Field complex of slave colonies, the attack was initially thought to have been foiled when the vessels releasing the chemical were shot down by Amarr security forces. This assumption was shown to be premature as a number of slave colonies experienced rioting and were soon in flames. By mid-morning, seven of the twelve colonies in the vast complex were out of communication with Amarr authorities and the military was being called in to restore order. At noon, Omir Sarikusa broadcast a statement claiming full responsibility for the attack on Mabnen I, revealing that the Blood Raider Covenant had released an aerosol form of the Insorum drug into the atmosphere of the planet. There was no reaction from the Amarr Empire to this claim but reports suggested that Emperor Doriam II had begun a series of emergency meetings with his top advisors. As the day wore on, Mabnen I descended into chaos. Rebelling slaves spilled out of the colonies and wrought havoc across the affected region. Citizens of the Minmatar Republic reacted with joy to the news of the slave revolts, hailing Insorum as a cure for the scourge of Vitoc.' -YC107 report into the Mabnen incident of June that year. Two sides of the coin Mr Blake, whilst you see losing control of a few colonies of slaves an atrocity the Minmatar Republic rejoiced with the news their brothers and sisters were free, the fact that they took revenge on your people for their barbaric treatment is hardly surprising. And let us not also reflect and rejoice in the news that in the following month Doriam II was slain by unknown assassins. Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood
Khazarn Areth The Black Pigs The Black Pigs Alliance 93	Posted - 2012.02.27 14:55:00 - [10] - Quote Oh so the xenophobic, warmongering, slaver calls us egotistical megalomaniacs? Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood

Khazarn Areth The Black Pigs The Black Pigs Alliance 93	Posted - 2012.02.27 15:54:00 - [11] - Quote Theobar Cresthill wrote: Khazarn Areth wrote: Oh so the xenophobic, warmongering, slaver calls us egotistical megalomaniacs? Xenophobic? No, true Amarrians embrace all people to bring them to God. Warmongering? No, our battles serve only to bring people to peace with God. Slaver? No, Holders of those wandering ones who are precious to God. Khazarn Areth, you are an egotistical megalomaniac as are all those who led by the deception of their own self-godhood. Deception? i think it is you who have been duped by the theology council into thinking your actions are justified by gods will, that your actions are not your own, they most certianly are Mr Cresthill and no amount of holy ramblings can save you or your kin. Prehaps one day you will see the light before you become lost in your own delusion, you have free will Mr Cresthill but you are not yet free. Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood
Khazarn Areth The Black Pigs The Black Pigs Alliance 94	Posted - 2012.02.27 19:25:00 - [12] - Quote Astera Zandraki wrote: Crazy people ranting at crazy people as to who's imaginary friend is the right one. Well done, people. Most Sani Sabik do not follow a god, this includes The Blood Raiders, please understand the topic before attempting to contribute. And would Mr Cresthill refrain from being childish. Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood
Khazarn Areth The Black Pigs The Black Pigs Alliance 94	Posted - 2012.02.27 19:38:00 - [13] - Quote Astera Zandraki wrote: Odd, I was under the impression that the 'Red God' was pretty big with your religion, considering it is an offshoot of the traditional Imperial Faith. Each Sani Sabik sect differs wildly whilst some do indeed worship this 'Red God' as an alternative to the Loyalist Amarrian 'God' most, especially The Blood Raiders, look to themselves for strength, sometimes with the help of personal/group rituals or blooding as a form of meditation on the path to enlightenment. Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood
Khazarn Areth The Black Pigs The Black Pigs Alliance 94	Posted - 2012.02.27 19:50:00 - [14] - Quote Theobar Cresthill wrote: Khazarn Areth wrote: Most Sani Sabik do not follow a god, . The Sani Sabik are Anthroentheists. They "follow" the self-enshrined, egocentric, self-deification of personal godhood. Such a theology justifies whatever they want to do, however they want to do it. I do not "follow" myself, i am myself. You on the otherhand are not yourself, you are a puppet Mr Cresthill, a puppet of an aged and dusty tome of written law that binds you in servitude to the Empire. Prehaps you should look to yourself more for the answers rather than a book. Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood
Khazarn Areth The Black Pigs The Black Pigs Alliance 94	Posted - 2012.02.27 20:49:00 - [15] - Quote Morwen Lagann wrote: It might have been better to have said "many Sabik" instead of "most". Given the very large number of different sects, I would wager it rather difficult for any one person to know exactly what the differences are between all of them - even something as binary as whether they follow a god or not. Indeed, its would be near impossible to categorise and list every Sani Sabik sect/group/cult, i am mearly speaking from experience and will ammend my previous statement to include this. Thank you for your input Ms Lagann. Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood
Khazarn Areth The Black Pigs The Black Pigs Alliance 94	Posted - 2012.02.27 22:48:00 - [16] - Quote Petrus Blackshell wrote: That said, do all Sani Sabik sects ascribe to forced blood sacrifice? Edit: I should clarify: while all Sani Sabik rely on blood in some manner or another, how do other sects go about it? Also, does consuming blood have an effect on intelligence and coherence? Followers of the vanilla Amarr faith seem to me mouthbreathers far more often. I wouldnt know how all sects go about it, some have been known engage in a simple blooding ritual where they share a few drops apon an alter before meditation, there is one sect i know of in Gallente space that activly shares the blood of the coven between members wheras myself and fellow Covenant members will happily enlighten those who cross our path with the use of hallowed blooding methods in which we take all the captures blood slowly, to make them whole at last. Blood is used as it is a symbol of life, strength and power as to affecting intellegence and coherence in my case it is a yes i find the taste and smell relaxes me along the path to complete enlightenment, though i have had dealings in the past with a null sec Sabik cult that laced the ritual blood with several different narcotics to, in their words, "Delve deeper into their mind". To ask of the Sani Sabik faith is to receive many different answers depending on whom you speak to but i hope i have answered some of your questions. Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood
Khazarn Areth The Black Pigs The Black Pigs Alliance 94	Posted - 2012.02.28 11:36:00 - [17] - Quote Boma Airaken wrote: Frankly I think the generalization that the Sani Sabik are godless heathens is pretty safe. Your governments generalization Mr Airaken, that viewpoint is only popular within the Amarr Empire due to obvious reasons pertaining to your theology councils views on other faiths and any other thing that goes against their social norm. Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood
Khazarn Areth The Black Pigs The Black Pigs Alliance 94	Posted - 2012.02.28 22:08:00 - [18] - Quote Ah my mistake then, i havent had any personal dealings with the Equilibrium and know little of their ways, so i hope i will be excused in assuming Mr Airaken was an Amarrian Loyalist. Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood
Khazarn Areth The Black Pigs The Black Pigs Alliance 94	Posted - 2012.02.28 23:45:00 - [19] - Quote Silas Vitalia wrote: You could say the Equilibrium are the original loyalists. As some petulant youth might say, they are "old school." I remember reading the odd news article about them, something along the lines of a terrorist plot if memory serves me correctly, i think ill dig around and find out more, who knows i may find the odd article that will help pass the time waiting for fresh captures to enter system. Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood
Khazarn Areth The Black Pigs The Black Pigs Alliance 94	Posted - 2012.03.01 21:02:00 - [20] - Quote The Blood Raider Covenant have been actively at war with the Amarr Empire/Khanid Kingdom for many years attacking both Navy personell and raiding civilian populations in lightning assaults in order to bolster blood farm production. Also, Mr Ixiris is trying to generalise the Sani Sabik into one category and as stated throughout this topic this is a useless and futile thing to do with the amout of varied cults throughout New Eden. Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood

Khazarn Areth The Black Pigs The Black Pigs Alliance 95	Posted - 2012.03.09 13:16:00 - [21] - Quote Ah and now back to discussing Sani Sabik, also apologies for my absence in this thread as it does take some considerable time to set up a planetary blood farm even with today's technology, I tell you the piping alone is a nightmare. Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood
Khazarn Areth The Black Pigs The Black Pigs Alliance 95	Posted - 2012.03.09 15:39:00 - [22] - Quote To your first question there would obviously be no way of knowing if it is a biological match to the blood of a clone. To your second question the answer is a spiritual one, using blood that has never been within a living clone body, or a normal human for that matter, is worthless to us as a symbol of power and strength, to truly taste power, feel it and make use of it in ritual meditation along the path of enlightenment the blood must come from a living being. To myself and my crew blood is life, it represents immortality and power and any substitute is unacceptable. Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood
Khazarn Areth The Black Pigs The Black Pigs Alliance 95	Posted - 2012.03.09 22:07:00 - [23] - Quote Uraniae Fehrnah wrote: If anything various Sabik cults accepting engineered blood would actually have some precedent. It is widely accepted that the use of blood in Sabik rituals is analogous to traditional Amarrian use of Sacred Waters for rituals. And it is a matter of simple historic fact that as the Empire grew, the church had to locate and designate different sources of water that are considered sacred. Whilst this is a possiblity for the 'milder' cults of Sani Sabik that are embedded within Gallente society, who would no doubt need to move with the laws in place and limit what blood they can use depending on how 'underground' they are, it would not hold with the completely independant Sani Sabik such as The Covenant (the reasons are included in my previous comment) Clone and lesser blood is available to us in huge amounts, literally 'on tap' thanks to Covenant scientists, Hunt-and-Grab raids and our vast blood farms built to serve the vast demand for the life force needed in our many rituals and the consecration of Raider vessels. The said 'fake' blood could be considered acceptable if it were filtered through a live host of worthy power. Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood
Khazarn Areth The Black Pigs The Black Pigs Alliance 95	Posted - 2012.03.10 17:02:00 - [24] - Quote Vallek Arkonnis wrote: So the beliefs of the blooder/sabik are whatever the individual wants them to be (aka "their own beliefs"), there are no set tenets that followers must adhere to. Why are we having this discussion at all then? Because as stated before the majority of Sabik Sects follow a core belief system, many based around similar principles. This discussion is intended to educate those ignorant of Sani Sabik in any form. Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood
Khazarn Areth The Black Pigs The Black Pigs Alliance 95	Posted - 2012.03.10 17:48:00 - [25] - Quote Vallek Arkonnis wrote: Khazarn Areth wrote: we take all the captures blood slowly, to make them whole at last. Ha! Seems the only ones not being "made whole" are the cultists themselves.. Pity, that All members of The Covenant share the journey of those being enlightened, we guide them along the path to wholeness. And i have indeed spoken of the three commonly held core beliefs/rituals: 1. Blood is used in all Sabik rituals though exactly how it is used differs between each cult. 2.The belief that there are people out there greater than their fellow man and through this realisation they can achive great things. 3.That immortality, be it physical or spiritual, is within the reach of any who follow the Sabik faith. Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood
Khazarn Areth The Black Pigs The Black Pigs Alliance 95	Posted - 2012.03.11 13:09:00 - [26] - Quote Rodj Blake wrote: That may be because for many capsuleer Sanik Sabik adherents, the "core beliefs" seem to vary from day to day according to what they find expedient. In what way, Mr. Blake? Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood
Khazarn Areth The Black Pigs The Black Pigs Alliance 95	Posted - 2012.03.14 13:32:00 - [27] - Quote Merdaneth wrote: Silas Vitalia wrote: And Imperial loyalists of course have no variety of religious beliefs, practices, and political differences among the faithful. How silly of me to forget. Heresy is heresy regardless. Only to those who regard it as heresy. Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood
Khazarn Areth The Black Pigs The Black Pigs Alliance 95	Posted - 2012.04.01 17:08:00 - [28] - Quote Silas Vitalia wrote: On another note, devotees, sycophants, and the curious alike will be pleased to know the first volume of my great treatise will be completed in the near future, with selected passages available on the IGS. There will be a book tour of course, and a lucky few of you might just receive signed copies. In honor of the late, great Heiderann and the miserable failure of the Pax Amarria, I'm calling this work the Pax Dominatus. Stay tuned. I would also like to order a copy as im currently lacking a good book to read and I loathe having to toil through the drivel most publishers spew out these days. Also on another note a "well done and good work" is in order for the SCC who at long last have removed the Pax Amarria from capsuleer sale outlets. Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood

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